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Wednesday, June 03, 2009

Pro-life advocate celebrates murder of George Tiller

If you have any doubt that pro-lifers are frequently as mad as rattlesnakes, have a look at this egregious example. It's easy to assume that our opponents are sane, reasonable human beings who just happen to disagree with us about various contestable issues. That is sometimes the case, of course, but not always. All too often, they are just plain evil and/or bughouse crazy.

7 comments:

Go Democrats said...

If you really think that abortion is murder (despite the fact, of course, that "murder" is a judicial category that abortion does not fall into in the US), and you really think that George Tiller was a mass murderer and that he was operating outside the judicial system, why would it be illogical to think killing him was the right thing to do?

I'm as pro-choice as they come, but it does seem like the logical endpoint of the anti-choice position.

Russell Blackford said...

I totally agree. Like many crazy positions, it has an internal logic.

Robert Byers said...

I am a pro-life Canadian with passion.
Pro-life is based on defending human beings from being killed. We are the good guys.
If we killed abortion providers the death count by now would be great. in fact we don't because largely we accept pro-choicers and the doctors don't believe they kill kids. So they are innocent of murder. Murder demands intent.
Let it is the truth and our opinion that this doctor did kill children. he knew this is a common opinion. ibelieve hi did late term abortions so its a dominant position it kills children and so is illegal.
It all comes down to the moral law from god and man that we are to stop the killing of innocent people.
whether by abortion or guns or war.
This would stop much problems in the world.

sailor1031 said...

A couple of points on this that have been made many times before but maybe should be restated one more time.
1. Anti-abortion believers want everybody to be forced to subscribe to their morality and for the laws to be enacted to support their view. This is, in the USA, an unconstitutional imposition of religious values on society. I haven't seen any reports where anti-abortion believers have been forced to undergo unwanted abortions. Perhaps we should all agree to just leave one another to get on with our lives our own way.

2. Late term abortions are almost always done for therapeutic reasons - it's hardly an efficient birth control method. Therefore society needs to have qualified medical personnel who are willing and able to provide this service to patients who need it. If those who oppose abortion go around murdering such health workers with impunity, then it's a de facto outlawing of any late-term abortion. We can't tolerate that.
Perhaps if religionists weren't so convinced of their own rightness they would be less dogmatic and more tolerant of the needs and opinions of others. As far as the dyed-in-the-wool fundies are concerned, I've become convinced that they believe their deity is going to go all sodom & gomorrah on the world if things don't start going his/her/its way and they're scared.

Robert Byers said...

Sailor1031
Your wrong. This is not accurate.
We are opposed to abortion because of the conviction it kills a human being.
Nothing to do with religion. Christianity just says killing people, without cause, is illegal too.

These late term abortions as i understand are never needed to save the mother.
Thats why its illegal with agreement even from otherwise pro-choice people.
This is all about the right to life of humanity and is humanity in the womb.
Pro-lifers say intellectually it is. Pro-choicers say it isn't. There it is and here we are.

Robert Byers said...

Sailor1031
Your wrong. This is not accurate.
We are opposed to abortion because of the conviction it kills a human being.
Nothing to do with religion. Christianity just says killing people, without cause, is illegal too.

These late term abortions as i understand are never needed to save the mother.
Thats why its illegal with agreement even from otherwise pro-choice people.
This is all about the right to life of humanity and is humanity in the womb.
Pro-lifers say intellectually it is. Pro-choicers say it isn't. There it is and here we are.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they don't get all the news in Australia. Prolife advocates have gone on record many times decrying violence.

Facts are unimportant here -- the blog post is intended to advocate for teh abortion side -- and lacking any real arguyment, attack people who believe differently by calling them "crazy".

Where is the outcry for the people who were shot at the Holocaust Museum? Where is the outcry for the young US Army recruiter that was randomly killed by a lunatic claiming that he was avenging the deaths of Muslims in Iraq? (He was a nut.) No reasonable person would ascribe these actions to other people -- their perpetrators are obviously mentally deranged -- yet this author decides that anyone who disagrees with him must be crazy.

Historically, this argument was quite prevalent in teh Soviet Union -- where dissidents were reguklarly branded as "crazy" and sent off...

So one totalitarian philosophy uses the same arguments and tactics as another, doesn't it?